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#1    Oct 7, '13, 1:29 pm

Retro Ace  New Member   Join Date: May 24, 2013 Posts: 40 Religion: Catholic

Need of debunking here http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong?

#2    Oct 7, '13, 2:02 pm

YADA  Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 3,311 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Retro Ace  http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong? Why bother  - even many protestants do not take this guy seriously ... Matt Slick and his website are totally focused on Catholic [and others] bashing - it is filled with mis-information and he cherry picks information from the Church to spin his version of 'truth' ... he does this purposefully - he is not interested in truth .. nothing you or anyone can do will change his mind .. the best we can do for him is to pray for him to come to know Jesus in the fullness of the Christian faith - and trust in God to do the rest  __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life

#3    Oct 7, '13, 2:57 pm

Church Militant  Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: November 10, 2004 Posts: 24,868 Religion: Catholic: Revert

Re: Need of debunking here YADA is right. CARM is a waste of time and energy. If you're on there, you should be here instead, or doing your laundry...taking out the garbage...whatever. He's talking out his hat. The following sources will answer it for you, and all come from theAsk an Apologist forum. Immaculate Conception and Assumption Saint Worship? Is Prayer Synonymous With Worship? Any Friend of God is a Friend of Mine Praying to the Saints The Intercession of the Saints Is Mary’s and the saints’ intercession unbiblical? __________________  Dominus meus et Deus meus  Michael  Apocalypsis (My blog)

#4    Oct 7, '13, 3:01 pm

YADA  Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 3,311 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Church Militant  YADA is right. CARM is a waste of time and energy. If you're on there, you should be here instead, or doing your laundry...taking out the garbage...whatever. He's talking out his hat. The following sources will answer it for you, and all come from the Ask an Apologist forum. Immaculate Conception and Assumption Saint Worship? Is Prayer Synonymous With Worship? Any Friend of God is a Friend of Mine Praying to the Saints The Intercession of the Saints Is Mary’s and the saints’ intercession unbiblical? Thank you - love your post - I wish I had thought to research the topics and provide the links as you did  PS - I think the guy is aptly named "SLICK'  __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life

#5    Oct 7, '13, 3:02 pm

PJM  Veteran Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 9,272 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: =Retro Ace;11276743]http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong? Here are thee KEY WORDS Not "to" BUT "THROUGH" ALL PRAYERS ARE AIMED AT CHRIST, BUT WE OFTEN ADVANTAGE THE RELATIONSHIP OF MARY AND THE SAINTS ON OUR BEHALF. Is this necessary? NO! Beneficial? YES Because they ADD their own prayres on- top and in addition to our own. __________________  PJM  http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

#6    Oct 7, '13, 3:07 pm

Retro Ace  New Member   Join Date: May 24, 2013 Posts: 40 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here thank you gentlemen much appreciated

#7    Oct 7, '13, 3:25 pm

ServantPD  New Member Book Club Member   Join Date: August 9, 2013 Posts: 148 Religion: Catholic Revert

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Retro Ace  http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong? Haven't we concluded by now that these people prefer truth-twisting and bashing over actual search for truth and usage of reason? I mean, come on...  __________________ I swam by myself to the other side of the Tiber and went through the path of the cold world with neither truth nor love. But God showed Himself and guided me back home to Rome. Thank you, Big Guy!  "God had one son on earth without sin, but never one without suffering." - St. Augustine

#8    Oct 7, '13, 4:55 pm

tabycat  Regular Member   Join Date: May 21, 2012 Posts: 2,244 Religion: catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Church Militant  YADA is right. CARM is a waste of time and energy. If you're on there, you should be here instead, or doing your laundry...taking out the garbage...whatever. He's talking out his hat. The following sources will answer it for you, and all come from the Ask an Apologist forum. Immaculate Conception and Assumption Saint Worship? Is Prayer Synonymous With Worship? Any Friend of God is a Friend of Mine Praying to the Saints The Intercession of the Saints Is Mary’s and the saints’ intercession unbiblical? I would only one thing: Pray for them. That is one thing that would us all good.

#9    Oct 7, '13, 5:29 pm

dronald  Junior Member   Join Date: May 18, 2013 Posts: 608 Religion: Evangelical

Re: Need of debunking here How can one make accusations and not quote the actual source? All it does is spread lies to others about what Catholics believe.

#10    Oct 7, '13, 5:55 pm

jochoa  Regular Member   Join Date: September 7, 2008 Posts: 810 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Retro Ace  http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong? Though not in the spirit of proving him wrong, but to share a far more enjoyable and productive practice of spirituality: I really like the following youtube video --> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy...%3DkUdYeYy3NQA about Mary being the New Ark (starting around 5:30). I especially like the last line at 7:15, "Reverencing the old ark did not subtract from the worship of God, but irreverence was considered an insult to God." Hope this helps! __________________ My intentions for sharing these understandings is to grow myself and others closer to God - The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and Catholicism, AND to subject these reflections to harsh criticisms regarding alignment with Catholicism, for it is the Truth.

#11    Oct 7, '13, 6:21 pm

Slaney  Regular Member   Join Date: March 5, 2012 Posts: 679 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Quote: Originally Posted by Retro Ace  http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry how can we prove this guy wrong? Haven't been on there for years, even forgot my username it's been so long, they gang up on ye, they did me..... Even on earth people greet each-other with a holy kiss, genuflect, curtsy before earthly kings & queens. The forget they are insulting the mother of Jesus who they say they follow... haven't read the whole post, but i'm sure they are familiar with dulia hyperdulia and latria ? If not remind them off it, not that any explanation suffices on there... __________________ " Abortion stops a beating heart "  God have mercy on me a sinner !

#12    Oct 7, '13, 6:27 pm

China123  New Member   Join Date: July 24, 2013 Posts: 52 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here I have always had to defend my faith. Seems there is so much false understanding out there. I once had a discussion with a friend and he kept on and on about what the Catholics believe. I listened and then finally asked " Where did you get your info on the Catholic Church from?" To which he replied "On the internet, Duh!"  I think satan is really busy dividing us.

#13    Oct 7, '13, 10:51 pm

QNDNNDQDCE  Junior Member   Join Date: September 2, 2012 Posts: 370 Religion: Catholic

Re: Need of debunking here Church Militant's links have all the information you need. A common trend among certain Protestants is an inability to apply common sense to biblical texts. The concept of "worship" is a broad one in the Bible, and it would be a mistake to assume that the word always has the same exact sense regardless of context. God commanded Israel to worship him alone, but there are other instances of worship (e.g. Moses worshiping Jethro in Ex. 18:7) which are not contrary to God's commandments because the word does not have the same sense all the time.